‘The Kardashians’ EP on Kim and Kourtney’s ‘Fiery’ Fight, If Timothée Chalamet Has Filmed and Whether Kourtney Will Give Birth (Again) On-Screen

On the Season 4 premiere of The Kardashians, Kim Kardashian and Kourtney Kardashian Barker get into a heated argument. The storyline has been brewing since last season, but fans of the famous family know that the two sisters have been at it for years. But this time seems different.

This season starts with more of the fallout of what happened with Kim and Kourtney, says Ben Winston, who, as a partner at Fulwell 73 Productions, is an executive producer of the show.

Theres no doubt about it its probably our most fiery scene that weve ever shot, in the premiere, Winston adds. But then, pretty soon you see the heal the rift starting to heal.

Sisters fighting isnt all that will be seen on the fourth season of The Kardashians, which films continuously, and now has cameras rolling for its fifth season. Season 4 was shot between February and July of this year, so the most recent updates in the familys lives that have already played out for the world in real-time across tabloids and on social media wont be seen on this new season.

But, of course, we asked about it all anyway.

What is the theme of this season?

Last season, obviously there was a lot of discourse between Kim and Kourtney. And I think that if there was a theme with this season, its that whatever happens in their family, blood is always more important than anything. The key to their success, in truth, is that whatever happens in their lives, whatever disputes they may have, nothing is more important than the family.

How tense was it behind the scenes filming with Kourtney and Kim?

Everything what you see is exactly what happens. Its always tense when youre filming disputes. But I have so much respect for the family, because they always allow us to film but its always difficult to be filming hard scenes like that. On the one hand, when things like that happen, its going to be good for storylines. On the other hand, its also tense and a difficult thing to film.

But you also know that theyre going to work through it. They have a way of saying whatever they feel at that moment to each other, but you know that that is always going to end OK with them. Because, like I said, family is always the most important thing.

Whose idea was it to have them Kim and Kourtney sit next to each other for their confessional? And how did they feel about that?

I imagine Danielle King, our showrunner, probably suggested it to them. But by then, I think the ice had been broken, and the relationship had been healed, and it was quite important for them to sit together and be interviewed together, because it was important that they showed the united front. I think that also allows you to show the truth of what happened in the dispute, because you see the love and respect they have for each other afterwards by sitting next to each other and chatting it through on our cameras.

It was very meta how they spoke about how their fight was amplified by watching the edits from the show.

We do that a lot on the show. Weve done that consistently. In one of the seasons, we featured Kourtney discussing how she wasnt happy with the edit of something. And than another season, we showed Kim reading a bad review. I think it was in Variety.

Yes, it was. It was written by Daniel DAddario.

You cannot hide from the fact that their life is filmed by us on this show, and so therefore, if you were to hide from the fact that they are affected by the show, that wouldnt really be true and it wouldnt be real to whats happening in their lives. Rather than hiding from it, or pretending the cameras arent there and pretending people arent watching the episodes or pretending theyre not watching the edits, we go the other way and we make it part of the show, because it is such a big part of their lives.

As executive producers, how much of a say do they have about the edit, and what actually ends up in the show?

They have a say. Theres no question of it. Theyre executive producers of the show. We always have discussions over things. Sometimes, they back down on things. Sometimes, we have to talk things through. Its really important for them that the show is great. They also want the show to be truthful and honest, and therefore, its not as much of an issue for me that they are involved in the edit because as long as you come to it with wanting it to be truthful and honest, but also really good television, you have less concerns with them being involved in it.

They play a very active role in the note process, but then theyre also open to discussion about it if they werent to like something. Our team could always talk openly and honestly about why certain things are included, and compromises can be met. And as youve seen on the show, sometimes theyre unhappy with the way it comes out, and weve addressed that by literally putting it in the show itself.

But on the whole, its a very collaborative process with them. I dont see them as the subjects of our show. I see them as our partners.

Is there anything that they wont share?

Yeah, of course, there are things in their lives that theyre not comfortable showing. So much of their lives are already out there and speculated about, so not everything is always on the show. And were really respectful in that. But theres never a moment where we dont feel like we are getting amazing access.

According to the season sizzle, Tristian Thompson is a big part of Khlos storyline. Can you tease what we will see there?

Theyre very honest about their situation. That is a big focus of this season for Khlo, navigate her living situation because theyre living together, but theyre not together and co-parenting. Him making right with members of the family for what happened. Khlo and Tristian are a big part of this season.

The season starts in Cabo, and a lot of them are talking about being single. But now, in real time, theyre not single. So I have to ask you: Have you filmed anything with Kylie Jenner and Timothe Chalamet, now that theyve been out in public together?

No.

Do you have plans to?

No comment. Nothing I can say can bring me good things on that. If I say I hope to, then suddenly thats a headline, and suddenly I dont get any access. I cant win on that. So I can just say that we havent filmed anything.

How about with Kendall and Bad Bunny?

No, we havent filmed that.

How about Kims dating life? There have been some rumors out there about Tom Brady, and now, Odell Beckham Jr. Will we see any of her dating life this season?

Kim shares so much with us on camera. I think, for her, this season is more about how she juggles her insanely crazy life of being this hands-on mom, this kickass business woman, and the responsibilities that are growing as she takes on more and more roles. The juggling of it all plus her law, plus her social reform is a big part of this show this year.

Last season, she was more open than shes ever been about Kanye West, and she addressed his antisemitic behavior. Will we see anything about Kanye being addressed at all this season?

Its definitely not a huge storyline, because weve moved past that. I cant really remember if she ever discusses.

What about Kim filming American Horror Story? Will we see her preparing for her first starring acting role?

Yeah, that is a big part of her story.

Did you see in the American Horror Story trailer that Kims character is cutting a cucumber?

Oh my god, I didnt see that. Thats so funny. I love it when stuff like that from the show just hits the zeitgeist. I cannot believe thats become a thing.

Kourtney is pregnant, and we see in the trailer thats going to be discussed in the season. Do you have plans to film her giving birth? Because shes done that before, and when I spoke to her, she told me doing that on camera is actually one of her most proud moments.

Well, I dont have any plans right now I dont know where we are on that just yet. Listen, if it was down to us, wed film everything, but we also really respect them and their privacy. Im so happy for Kourtney and Travis, because that was a big part of the story when they first got together was them trying for that baby. The moment she reveals it to the world at the concert with that sign is such a beautiful moment for them as a family.

What we will film, I dont know. That will be down to her not me. She will decide whatever she wants to share.

The show is renewed through Season 6. Have you had discussions with the family about how long they want to continue doing this?

No, I havent, and I hope I dont have to. I hope we can continue to keep going. If it was down to me, wed go for a very, very long time. Maybe at some point, theyll come to us and say, Look, its time. Were done. But right now, I dont think about that.

Were shooting Season 5 already, and were really excited about what were getting. Theres no signs of stopping right now.

This interview has been edited and condensed.